ITV police series 1955-91

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Another one that might be worth checking out is The Hidden Truth - it's pathology and forensics rather than size-twelves and interrogation. It'll be:

16 Jul 1964 The Hidden Truth (Rediffusion, 13 X 50m)

if it's OK.
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Thank you for the kind comments re my 'memories' post. I was a little hesitant to post it as it was basically just ramblings of an old timer. Bit like grandads memories of the war !

I didn't mention 'The Pursuers' which was one I really liked , Louis Hayward (imported faded American star) with a police dog. Should definitely be on the list. Don't recall if it was ever explained what an American was doing in the British police force. Though he had a dog he was plain clothes.The late 50's early 60's was awash with series such as this. Some such as 'The Pursuers' & Dial 999 still survive. It is a pity Network or someone has not considered them for DVD release but I guess they feel not enough people around who remember them enough to make it profitable. The two series they did release from this era 'Four Just Men' & 'Interpol Calling' were two of the dullest unfortunately.

There was also one called 'The Cheaters' with John Ireland (another American import) as an Insurance investigator who worked closely with Scotland Yard, he wasn't actually a cop though.

My very earliest memory was actually 'Fabian of the Yard', a very big series in its time. I remember recreating the dramas in the school playground, particularly one where Fabian was being shot at on a window ledge. Pretty exciting stuff for the early 50's. Bruce Seton who played Fabian was actually Sir Bruce Seton I believe, though he never used it. He was probably the first victim of typecasting & commented after the series ended he wished people would understand that his name was Seton not Fabian.I understand he became so depressed at the lack of work he committed suicide.

There was also 'Adventures of the Big Man' with yet another US lead ,Wayne Morris as a store detective 'Bill something or other. The first American import I recall was 'I'm the Law'- George Raft as a tough New York cop in a trenchcoat & hat which he seemed to wear even in his office. These shows, of course were BBC so don't come under the radar of the thread.

Apologies for digressing so much, time for me to go & take my nap !

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Now an episode of No Hiding Place and one of Crime Sheet (Mystery Bag) have been officially released on the ITV 60 DVD set, does that suggest the 'rights' problems with No Hiding Place have been sorted out and that now a release of all the surviving episodes is possible?

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Fabian of the Yard...

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Fabian was BBC.

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Damn, thought I had him there!

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Simon36 wrote:Damn, thought I had him there!
Some sources list the production company as an independent, even though it was definitely made for the BBC, so it might be argued that it's independent television if not Independent Television - if you see what I mean.
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A new article by me about the acting in Hunters Walk - https://forgottentelevisiondrama.wordpress.com/

I've also written about this particular episode before - http://blogs.reading.ac.uk/spaces-of-te ... ice-drama/

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I'd definitely buy a 'No Hiding Place' DVD. That episode described by Silverking earlier with Patrick Troughton murdering people with a cheese wire sounds great. I assume it must be 'The Stalag Story' TX 14/10/1959 which sadly doesn't officially exist anymore or was probably never recorded in the first place. There's always a possibility that it's sitting uncatalogued somewhere of course. I've seen Troughton in what's left of the episode 'Two Blind Mice' from 1960 which was good.

There are a reasonable amount of episodes that exist in full at the BFI, but I would imagine the cost of getting them all transferred from film would make a release prohibitively expensive compared to the money it would generate in sales. It would be great to at least see some compilations of episodes from rare Rediffusion sixties series released. The BFI's forthcoming release of 'Half Hour Story' material is a very welcome step in the right direction. I've always thought this is an area the BFI could explore further. The most obvious way forward will be for the BFI to have an outlet for online viewing through the various online platforms, such as Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV etc and charge for viewing rare titles, much in the way it does on its website already. It still doesn't negate the cost of transferring film and tape assets to digital files though.

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Talking of Patrick Troughton in a crime series, there's an episode of "Dial 999" ("50.000 Hands") in which he features alongside William Hartnell.

The trouble with interesting articles like the "Hunter's Walk" one, is it makes you want to reach for the DVD straight away.!
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Surely Van-de-Valk was made by ITV and should be included. It was a great second season that deserved to continue. They were all crap compared to 'Bluey' however; And before anyone says... Yes I know it was Ausie crime series bought in by Granada network at the time.

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Billy deliberately left out a few...

"I've been trying to collate a chronology of police series made for ITV up to the early nineties. I've been quite stringent, excluding serials, private detectives, retired police like Mr Rose, foreign police like Van Der Valk and made-up quasi-police like C.I.5., C.A.T.S. or the Ghost Squad. Have I missed anything out?"

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Here's a revised version of the chronology. I'm interested that Yorkshire didn't attempt a police series for over twenty years (in between Parkin and Frost).

29 Feb 1956 Colonel March of Scotland Yard (Fountain Films) (26 X 25m)
16 Sep 1957 Murder Bag: Series 1 (Associated-Rediffusion, 29 X 25m)
24 May 1958 Dial 999 (ABC, 39 X 25m)
30 Jun 1958 Murder Bag: Series 2 (Associated-Rediffusion, 26 X 25m)
01 Jan 1959 Murder Bag: Series 3 (Associated-Rediffusion, 13 X 25m)
08 Apr 1959 Crime Sheet (Associated-Rediffusion, 24 X 25m)
13 Jul 1959 Nick of the River (Associated-Rediffusion, 9 X 25m)
16 Sep 1959 No Hiding Place: Series 1 (Associated-Rediffusion, 20 X 50m)
05 May 1960 No Hiding Place: Series 2 (Associated-Rediffusion, 26 X 50m)
10 Sep 1960 Police Surgeon (ABC, 13 X 25m)
19 Oct 1960 The Odd Man: Series 1 (Granada, 8 X 25m)
03 Feb 1961 No Hiding Place: Series 3 (Associated-Rediffusion, 26 X 50m)
01 Apr 1961 The Pursuers (ABC, 39 X 25m)
24 Aug 1961 Echo Four-Two: Series 1 (Associated-Rediffusion, 10 X 25m)
02 Nov 1961 Stryker of the Yard (Republic, 13 X 25m)
08 May 1962 No Hiding Place: Series 4 (Associated-Rediffusion, 44 X 50m)
11 May 1962 The Odd Man: Series 2 (Granada, 8 X 50m)
29 Jun 1963 Sergeant Cork: Series 1 (ATV, 13 X 50m)
02 Jul 1963 No Hiding Place: Series 5 (Associated-Rediffusion, 26 X 50m)
28 Dec 1963 Sergeant Cork: Series 2 (ATV, 8 X 50m)
03 Jan 1964 It's Dark Outside: Series 1 (Granada, 8 X 50m)
22 Feb 1964 G.S.5 (ATV, 13 X 50m)
04 Apr 1964 Sergeant Cork: Series 3 (ATV, 13 X 50m)
06 Apr 1964 No Hiding Place: Series 6 (Rediffusion, 26 X 50m)
16 Jul 1964 The Hidden Truth (Rediffusion, 13 X 50m)
22 Aug 1964 Sergeant Cork: Series 4 (ATV, 6 X 50m)
01 Feb 1965 No Hiding Place: Series 7 (Rediffusion, 26 X 50m)
26 Feb 1965 It's Dark Outside: Series 2 (Granada, 8 X 50m)
18 Mar 1965 Gideon's Way (ITC, 26 X 50m)
03 Nov 1965 No Hiding Place: Series 8 (Rediffusion, 13 X 50m)
10 Dec 1965 Glaister (Scottish, 4 X 50m)
04 May 1966 No Hiding Place: Series 9 (Rediffusion, 13 X 50m)
25 Jun 1966 Sergeant Cork: Series 5 (ATV, 4 X 50m)
16 Mar 1967 No Hiding Place: Series 10 (Rediffusion, 15 X 50m)
07 Oct 1967 Sergeant Cork: Series 6 (ATV, 22 X 50m)
20 May 1969 Fraud Squad: Series 1 (ATV, 13 X 50m)
17 Sep 1969 Special Branch: Series 1 (Thames, 14 X 50m)
19 Sep 1969 Parkin's Patch (Yorkshire, 26 X 25m)
11 Aug 1970 Special Branch: Series 2 (Thames, 13 X 50m)
19 Sep 1970 Fraud Squad: Series 2 (ATV, 13 X 50m)
22 Apr 1972 New Scotland Yard: Series 1 (LWT, 13 X 50m)
13 Oct 1972 New Scotland Yard: Series 2 (LWT, 13 X 50m)
04 Apr 1973 Special Branch: Series 3 (Thames, 13 X 50m)
04 Jun 1973 Hunters Walk: Series 1 (ATV, 13 X 50m)
23 Jun 1973 New Scotland Yard: Series 3 (LWT, 13 X 50m)
14 Feb 1974 Special Branch: Series 4 (Thames, 13 X 50m)
13 Apr 1974 New Scotland Yard: Series 4 (LWT, 7 X 50m)
22 Apr 1974 Hunters Walk: Series 2 (ATV, 13 X 50m)
02 Jan 1975 The Sweeney: Series 1 (Thames, 13 X 50m)
01 Sep 1975 The Sweeney: Series 2 (Thames, 13 X 50m)
01 Jun 1976 Hunters Walk: Series 3 (ATV, 13 X 50m)
06 Sep 1976 The Sweeney: Series 3 (Thames, 13 X 50m)
05 Jun 1978 Strangers: Series 1 (Granada, 7 X 50m)
07 Sep 1978 The Sweeney: Series 4 (Thames, 14 X 50m)
09 Jan 1979 Strangers: Series 2 (Granada, 5 X 50m)
11 Apr 1980 The Gentle Touch: Series 1 (LWT, 7 X 50m)
13 Apr 1980 Cribb: Series 1 (Granada, 7 X 50m)
05 Sep 1980 The Gentle Touch: Series 2 (LWT, 10 X 50m)
14 Oct 1980 Strangers: Series 3 (Granada, 7 X 50m)
29 Mar 1981 Cribb: Series 2 (Granada, 6 X 50m)
25 Sep 1981 Strangers: Series 4 (Granada, 6 X 50m)
06 Nov 1981 The Gentle Touch: Series 3 (LWT, 13 X 50m)
08 Sep 1982 Strangers: Series 5 (Granada, 7 X 50m)
22 Oct 1982 The Gentle Touch: Series 4 (LWT, 13 X 50m)
01 Sep 1984 The Gentle Touch: Series 5 (LWT, 13 X 50m)
16 Oct 1984 The Bill: Series 1 (Thames, 11 X 50m)
11 Jan 1985 Dempsey and Makepeace: Series 1 (LWT, 1 x 75m, 9 X 50m)
31 Aug 1985 Dempsey and Makepeace: Series 2 (LWT, 10 X 50m)
11 Nov 1985 The Bill: Series 2 (Thames, 12 X 50m)
30 Aug 1986 Dempsey and Makepeace: Series 3 (LWT, 10 X 50m)
06 Jan 1987 Inspector Morse: Series 1 (Central, 3 X 100m)
21 Sep 1987 The Bill: Series 3 (Thames, 12 X 50m)
25 Dec 1987 Inspector Morse: Series 2 (Central, 4 X 100m)
19 Jul 1988 The Bill: Series 4 (Thames, 48 X 25m)
03 Jan 1989 The Bill: Series 5 (Thames, 104 X 25m)
04 Jan 1989 Inspector Morse: Series 3 (Central, 4 X 100m)
02 Jan 1990 The Bill: Series 6 (Thames, 104 X 25m)
03 Jan 1990 Inspector Morse: Series 4 (Central, 4 X 100m)
20 Apr 1990 The Chief: Series 1 (Anglia, 6 X 50m)
01 Jan 1991 The Bill: Series 7 (Thames, 105 X 25m)
20 Feb 1991 Inspector Morse: Series 5 (Central, 5 X 100m)
05 Apr 1991 The Chief: Series 2 (Anglia, 6 X 50m)
07 Apr 1991 Prime Suspect: Series 1 (Granada, 2 X 100m)
02 Jan 1992 The Bill: Series 8 (Thames, 105 X 25m)
26 Feb 1992 Inspector Morse: Series 6 (Central, 5 X 100m)
10 Apr 1992 Heartbeat: Series 1 (Yorkshire, 10 X 50m)
06 Dec 1992 A Touch of Frost: Series 1 (Yorkshire, 3 X 100m)

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Mickey wrote:They were based at Scotland Yard, yes. And yes, Ray Smith played Spikings, their boss (with Tony Osoba being sadly underused as his XO, Chas).
Were they for sure? I have no memory of Scotland Yard being mentioned...

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Billy Smart wrote:Here's a revised version of the chronology. I'm interested that Yorkshire didn't attempt a police series for over twenty years (in between Parkin and Frost).
Well, aside from your own list showing that it was Heartbeat and not Frost that broke the duck :) ... there was one other. You've missed Yorkshire's Yellowthread Street: 13 x 50 mins from 13 Jan 1990.

Other than that, yes, Yorkshire's crime (and similar) series tended to concentrate on the amateurs (e.g. Get Lost or The Beiderbecke trilogy), private eyes (Bloomfield, The Racing Game) or other aspects of the justice system (The Main Chance, Justice).

And aren't the leads in El C.I.D. both retired from the force?
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What about Thames'/Euston's Life and Death of Penelope from 1976 or Jack the Ripper from 1988? And although it was a kids' drama, The Squad was about police cadets.
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Really enjoyed reading this thread, all those great titles brought back lots of hazy memories from the early 60's when i was a kid glued to the tv. A big thankyou to the author who started this and put in so much time and effort, its been amazing and thoroughly entertaining.
A few titles i would like to know more about are those that aired on Friday nights on itv mainly made by Granada.....Man in room 17, Mr rose, Big breadwinner hog quite violent i recall, The corridor people, villain, and my favorite The liars of which i remember only a handful of episodes but loved it, such absurd little stories.

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Simon Coward wrote:And aren't the leads in El C.I.D. both retired from the force?
Yes, that's why I eventually decided to leave them off. I suppose that Jack the Ripper and Penelope (which, having looked it up, sounds like it could have been fantastic) were both serials rather than series, and Yellowthread falls outside by being about foreign Police (although though the Hong Kong setting complicates that!).

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Billy Smart wrote:
Simon Coward wrote:And aren't the leads in El C.I.D. both retired from the force?
Yes, that's why I eventually decided to leave them off. I suppose that Jack the Ripper and Penelope (which, having looked it up, sounds like it could have been fantastic) were both serials rather than series, and Yellowthread falls outside by being about foreign Police (although though the Hong Kong setting complicates that!).
I hadn't realised that foreign police weren't included. You did originally include El C.I.D., which would have failed the foreign test too, as it was set in Spain.

On the serials front, you need to take out series 1 and 2 of The Odd Man as both of those were serials.
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Simon Coward wrote:What about Thames'/Euston's Life and Death of Penelope from 1976 or Jack the Ripper from 1988? And although it was a kids' drama, The Squad was about police cadets.
The Thames Jack the Ripper. Christ that was awful...

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You can get a blu-ray of the Thames Jack the Ripper! Every so often I'm tempted to buy it, and then realise that even my completism has to stop somewhere...

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