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Recently heard an extract from the greatest Soap of all time, a missing "Crossroads" episode, ( from the Witchcraft storyline) wasn't aware there were any.

Is it known, if there are many of them...or is that it?
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I'm certainly hoping there are lots of "Crossroads" eps on audio.

I was trying to work out what the earliest TV Audios are around, so unless I'm forgetting something it must be the "Hancock's Half Hour" episodes.
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the things recorded on reel-to-reel and also what was kept depend on the demographics of the people recording.

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Although there is a surprising amount of material, both from TV and Radio, that were recorded, a lot of comedy but drama too.

Episodes from "Public Eye", "The Rat Catchers", "Vendetta", "Out Of The Unknown".

I was listening to an episode of "The Troubleshooters" from 69, set on the QE2, and at the end of the programme there is a mention of live coverage of the QE2 maiden voyage, as it arrives in the US, being shown two days later on BBC1 ( and on 2 in colour) I would have seen this episode at the time.

There are also some great extracts on the Transdiffusion site, one from September 75, is on the "Today" programme, Eamonn' Andrews and guests talking about 20 years of ITV, which descends into a row by the end, well worth a listen.
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Mark wrote:I was trying to work out what the earliest TV Audios are around, so unless I'm forgetting something it must be the "Hancock's Half Hour" episodes.
That is perhaps even the only fifties example! It's really rare to find any from before 1965.
There are some "Billy Bunter" audios from 1960, but I am not ruling out that those were recorded later, possibly from a telerecording.
paul.austin wrote:the things recorded on reel-to-reel and also what was kept depend on the demographics of the people recording.
That's what you'd think, but it also depends on whether or not it worked without picture, and on a lot of coincidence including how and when people looked for it. They found ALL the audio of doctor who...
But only one of the missing sixties Sherlock Holmes episodes. I find that surprising, given its lasting popularity, with fanclubs and everything.

There's a list that the kaleidoscope people made of recordings that lost their soundtrack (e.g. because the "sepmag" got very separated indeed), so that are "video-only". Any audio from this list would be most useful to make a mute video speak again:

Slip 13 28/04/1963
24 HOUR CALL The Candidate 15 12/05/1963
24 HOUR CALL The Trunker 17 26/05/1963
24 HOUR CALL Error Of Judgement 20 16/06/1963
ADVENTURES OF FLORIS entire series 1969/1970 one that I'd quite like found myself
ANIMAL MAGIC 10 08/06/1966
ANIMAL MAGIC 10 31/05/1967
ANIMAL, VEGETABLE AND MINERAL 2 08/03/1956
BADGERS BEND The Animal Hotel 5 5 29/10/1963
BBC DEMONSTRATION FILMS London To Birmingham Link 6
BBC NEWS FOOTAGE Pontop Pike Film Insert 1 04/05/1953
BEYOND A JOKE 5 19/05/1972
BLUE PETER Programme 274 281 27/04/1964
CANDID CAMERA Production Material Inserts 1
CHOPSTICKS A Day In The Country 0 29/03/1980
CILLA 6 11/12/1971
CINEMA 6 07/12/1966
COLOURFUL ONE 1 14/11/1969
CRIME BUSTER The Third Thief 1 08/08/1968
CRIME BUSTER Mixed Doubles 3 22/08/1968
CRIME BUSTER The Half Gods Go 6 12/09/1968
CRIME BUSTER The Loser 13 31/10/1968
CROOKED PATH Cross Channel 4 30/10/1959
CROOKED PATH Killer at Large 6 06/11/1959
CROOKED PATH The Search for Martha Harris 10 04/12/1959
DIXON OF DOCK GREEN The World of Silence 1 01/10/1966 COINCIDENCE...?
DRIVEWAY Meet the Major 1 30/07/1968
EMERGENCY - WARD 10 Episode 172 172 10/10/1958
Engelbert with the young generation all episodes 1972
ENGLISH BY TELEVISION 13 Episode Series 1
GOING TO WORK Hairdressing 4 03/02/1969
HARRY WORTH A Soldier's Farewell 1 28/10/1966 MAY HAVE BEEN FOUND IN ED DOOLAN'S COLLECTION OF AUDIO
HOW IT IS Snowdon, Yves St Laurent 3 02/08/1968
LENNIE AND JERRY 2 30/12/1979
THE MAGIC ROUNDABOUT "Stamp collecting" 42 29/01/1968
MAGPIE 7 10/09/1968
MISS TV POST 1 24/08/1965
MISS TV POST 2 07/09/1966
MISS TV POST 3 05/09/1967
MISS TV POST 4 03/09/1968
MUFFIN THE MULE Muffin Is Back 120 06/06/1954
NEW LOOK Christmas Edition 2 25/12/1958
NOW AND THEN 55 27/10/1967
OUR MAN AT ST MARK'S Harry the Yo-Yo 12 09/07/1964
PLAY AWAY 2 09/11/1974
PLAY AWAY 3 22/11/1980
PLAY OF THE WEEK Nelson - A Study in Miniature 444 14/03/1966
PLAYHOUSE The Judge 16 11/03/1968
PLAYHOUSE The Detour 17 18/03/1968
PRUDENCE KITTEN 9 09/05/1957
R.C.M.P. The Longest Week in the Year 10 20/09/1960
SATURDAY SUPERSTORE OB - Norwich 20 19/02/1983
SATURDAY SUPERSTORE 24 19/03/1983
SATURDAY-NIGHT OUT 4 28/07/1956
SENSE OF PLACE Tuebrook Tanzi, The Venus Fly-Trap 1 20/04/1979
SIERRA NINE Episode 2 2 02/07/1963 only surviving episode
THE SKY AT NIGHT Venus Observed 47 10/11/1967
THE SKY AT NIGHT Venus, The Hot Planet 61 02/12/1968
SPLASH O.K. 0 27/12/1968
SUMMER PLAYHOUSE A Brand New Scrubbing Brush 7 14/08/1967
SUNDAY NIGHT THEATRE The Frog 669 20/07/1958
TENSION One Just Man 2 25/05/1962
TOP OF THE POPS 9 26/02/1964
? TOP OF THE POPS 56 04/03/1971 ? not at BBC
USTINOV AT THE N.F.T. Ustinov On Film 2 19/04/1968
VISION ON Gardeners 30 29/10/1965
WHY DON'T YOU 7 13/04/1982
WHY DON'T YOU 9 15/04/1982
WHY DON'T YOU 9 26/04/1984
WITH BIRD WILL TRAVEL 4 19/07/1968
YAK Vulture's Vegetarian Society 4 16/08/1971
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With The Adventures of Floris it's the English soundtrack that's lost, of course. As far as I know, the original Dutch version survives intact and complete.
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Simon Coward wrote:With The Adventures of Floris it's the English soundtrack that's lost, of course. As far as I know, the original Dutch version survives intact and complete.
Yeah, that was the reason why I manually included it. Could be of interest to Verhoeven/Hauer fans, for those who dislike subtitles.

I wonder if there aren't more cases like that, where an "unoriginal dub" is the only survivor. There's one Italian film I believe that they only have in Spanish. Perhaps they've even been overlooked in the general search because the titles would be different.
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That's an interesting list of missing audio. It's more than likely that Cilla was recorded off TV onto audio cassette, but until its found ...
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Private Frazer wrote:That's an interesting list of missing audio. It's more than likely that Cilla was recorded off TV onto audio cassette, but until its found ...
..we can all sign in relief knowing we don't have to hear that awful voice for a whole episode.

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Sadly yes that is the bottleneck. The doctor who example has proven that a lot of stuff was recorded, but finding it is the problem.

Oh plus, "Engelbert with the young generation" - includes short Goodies sketches but exists only in German dub.
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There is still one episode of "White Horses", (out of 13) that's missing it's UK dub, the others having been found from home recordings, that elusive one must be around surely.

Aside from the "Who" episodes, there are also two audio episodes from "Out Of This World", 1962, and presented on the DVD, so there is more from that period.
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Mark wrote:There is still one episode of "White Horses", (out of 13) that's missing it's UK dub, the others having been found from home recordings, that elusive one must be around surely.

Aside from the "Who" episodes, there are also two audio episodes from "Out Of This World", 1962, and presented on the DVD, so there is more from that period.
Oh I didn't know the latter, but they are still one of the rarer examples.

And wasn't there some other costume adventure series the last episode of which always ran into technical problems, so eventually the DVD had only that one with subtitles?

What doesn't help is that no-one official will accept audio-only tapes.
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The only other that springs to mind is "The Flashing Blade", which had some tech problems with one episode whenever it was repeated, can't remember if it was missed out on original screenings, but it's all intact on the DVD, as far as I recall.
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On the Kaleidoscope Facebook page last year, some one said that an audio clip of the Black and White Minstrel show was found in a charity shop and when the discoverer told the shop of this fact, they remarked that, "if they'd known what was on it they'd have thrown the tape away outright and not sold it"! The tape also contained a recording of the Val Doonican show and this also would have been lost too. The Facebook page also makes mention of a few other audio-only finds too.

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Does anyone know the status of the English version of the UK/European co-production 'Kim & Co' from 1975? I bought the German DVD recently out of curiosity, and while seeing Keith Chegwin playing a pop star dubbed into German is quite entertaining, I'd like to see it in its original form.

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I think that will be the only episode on the DVD which is the original French version with English subtitles - the other 11 are the English dub versions.
Mark wrote:The only other that springs to mind is "The Flashing Blade", which had some tech problems with one episode whenever it was repeated, can't remember if it was missed out on original screenings, but it's all intact on the DVD, as far as I recall.

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Ronco wrote:On the Kaleidoscope Facebook page last year, some one said that an audio clip of the Black and White Minstrel show was found in a charity shop and when the discoverer told the shop of this fact, they remarked that, "if they'd known what was on it they'd have thrown the tape away outright and not sold it"! The tape also contained a recording of the Val Doonican show and this also would have been lost too. The Facebook page also makes mention of a few other audio-only finds too.
Didn't know about that one, bit of a shocker isn't it, you never know what gems might get chucked out.
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Simon Mclean wrote:Does anyone know the status of the English version of the UK/European co-production 'Kim & Co' from 1975? I bought the German DVD recently out of curiosity, and while seeing Keith Chegwin playing a pop star dubbed into German is quite entertaining, I'd like to see it in its original form.
Have to check, but don't think it survives here, so that would be another one.
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ozsat wrote:I think that will be the only episode on the DVD which is the original French version with English subtitles - the other 11 are the English dub versions.
Mark wrote:The only other that springs to mind is "The Flashing Blade", which had some tech problems with one episode whenever it was repeated, can't remember if it was missed out on original screenings, but it's all intact on the DVD, as far as I recall.
Ah right, so it is that one then, couldn't remember.
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Amongst the famous that had reel to reel recorders, Bob Monkhouse of course, and also Ernie Wise ( as mentioned in the radio Doc, "The Garage Tapes"), he not only taped editions of "Three Of A Kind" ( although surviving ones) but other comedy material including Cook and Moore.
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Have any of the missing "Callan" episodes surfaced on audio?
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Is there any way the title of this topic can be permanently changed?

I don't know about anyone else but "Missing TV Audio" means to me exactly the opposite of what this topic is about!

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Ian Wegg wrote:Is there any way the title of this topic can be permanently changed?

I don't know about anyone else but "Missing TV Audio" means to me exactly the opposite of what this topic is about!
It's subtle, isn't it.
But the thread is about both existing and wanted off-air audio.
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Like Ian (I suspect), I thought the thread was about TV recordings where the audio was missing. Now it's starting to make sense!

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The Wooksta! wrote:Have any of the missing "Callan" episodes surfaced on audio?
Not that I know of, but you would think the series would be an obvious one to do.
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Brock wrote:Like Ian (I suspect), I thought the thread was about TV recordings where the audio was missing. Now it's starting to make sense!
Although it does seem like two different subjects, they are sort of connected, off-air audios of missing TV shows, but also existing TV shows with the soundtrack missing, which off-airs could be used for!

At the risk of confusing things even more, Radio!, although I'm not sure what the earliest off-air recording from the radio is, there's Bob Monkhouse's 1958 recording of the "Welcome To London" show and their are a number of radio series where off-airs exist, such as "Beyond Our Ken" and "The Clitheroe Kid" from 1959.

The reason I bring those up, is to try to pinpoint roughly where off-air recordings started, the earliest TV Audios ( as I mentioned earlier) seem to be "Hancock's Half Hour" from series 4 in 1959, so it looks like late 50's.

Aside from "Doctor Who" and two episodes of "Out Of This World", 1962, it starts to increase, with Sci-Fi/fantasy, music and comedy being the most popular genres, then drama, which is why it was a nice surprise to find out even "Crossroads" was being done as well.
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Yeah comedy is really well represented. In part it's because it's often one batch from a collector who taped his favourite genre. There are at least three collections of comedy that survived and were returned. (I helped a bit with one of them.)

There's even a specific youtube channel for audio-only survivors - but technically the audio's under copyright too, so I guess links are not appreciated.
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There are home recordings of television from the 1932-35 BBC era, made on domestic disc recorders, so presumably there will also be 'normal' radio broadcasts from that period.

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brigham wrote:There are home recordings of television from the 1932-35 BBC era, made on domestic disc recorders, so presumably there will also be 'normal' radio broadcasts from that period.
Are there? If you mean sound AND picture, they were far from domestic, those are experimental discs that couldn't even be played back at the time.
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Milligan had a series 2 Goon Show recorded on paper tape (IIRC) and there were certainly series 4 editions cut to disc by a jazz enthusiast group as I helped with the return of some early shows that have now been released.

Ben Lyon and Al Read both arranged for off-air recordings of their shows to be made and IFAIK these have finally made their way back to the BBC archives (the Ben Lyon stuff was originally turned down).

Sellers was also an early recording enthusiast and bits of Third Division (https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20 ... A00#search) survive.

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