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Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:31 am
by Mark
A previously missing episode of the BBC Sit-Com series that Benny Hill made in the early 60's turned up on YT a few weeks ago.

It's called "The Visitor" (10/9/63 ) from series 3, hopefully the BBC can get a copy of it.

It would make it, one from each of the three series existing.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 12:58 pm
by Spiny Norman
Yeah I believe it was simply uploaded on youtube by someone who had a film copy...

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:08 am
by Mark
Obtained in Bristol, in a collection of travelogue films.

Another example of the gems that still turn up!

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:24 am
by Spiny Norman
Mark wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:08 am
Obtained in Bristol, in a collection of travelogue films.

Another example of the gems that still turn up!
Oh right, so unrelated to youtube then? In that case there might even be two!

Stuff is still reported in. On the Doctor Who front, there's at least 6 episodes that collector(s) won't return - make of that what you will.
I think I spotted one, maybe two totally forgotten but technically lost 1950s programs in a French catalogue. Only, they were shows no-one was waiting for.
What is still amazing is the 1948 Show story. At least two episodes have been found twice and that was relatively recent. The whole thing went from almost nothing to almost complete.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:56 pm
by Mark
Related to YT, only in the fact it was put up there and the chap didn't know it was missing.

I had heard about the 'Six episodes' of "Who", doesn't surprise me, there's bound to be some material in private hands.

Sometimes copies are eventually allowed to be taken, or handed back, I think that was the case with the two episodes of "The Likely Lads".

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:33 am
by paul.austin
Most people don't have an encypediac knolwedge of missing TV. The "average person" might not even be well aware that there ^is* stuff missing!
(I wish educated people would remember that they are not the common person (or average voter!)

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:56 am
by Brian F
Also some have been treated badly in the past (no thanks and courier fees not reimbursed), or know others who have, so won't return on principle.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:03 pm
by Spiny Norman
Right so it's "only" one recovery then.
Brian F wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:56 am
Also some have been treated badly in the past (no thanks and courier fees not reimbursed), or know others who have, so won't return on principle.
Yeah, but they're punishing others.
And people who on principle refuse to deal with the BBC, for reasons of their own, could always contact Kaleidoscope.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:10 pm
by paul.austin
Spiny Norman wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:03 pm
Right so it's "only" one recovery then.
Brian F wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:56 am
Also some have been treated badly in the past (no thanks and courier fees not reimbursed), or know others who have, so won't return on principle.
Yeah, but they're punishing others.
And people who on principle refuse to deal with the BBC, for reasons of their own, could always contact Kaleidoscope.
... but the collectors who have been mis-treated know that Kaleidoscope will just hand over film prints of missing BBC material to the BBC, so where's the incentive to co-operate with them?

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:44 pm
by Spiny Norman
paul.austin wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:10 pm
Spiny Norman wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:03 pm
Right so it's "only" one recovery then.
Brian F wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:56 am
Also some have been treated badly in the past (no thanks and courier fees not reimbursed), or know others who have, so won't return on principle.
Yeah, but they're punishing others.
And people who on principle refuse to deal with the BBC, for reasons of their own, could always contact Kaleidoscope.
... but the collectors who have been mis-treated know that Kaleidoscope will just hand over film prints of missing BBC material to the BBC, so where's the incentive to co-operate with them?
I don't know. It seemed like a neutral compromise. Collectors are almost just like humans ;) so every one is different. It's been debated before, so I won't repeat the more obvious arguments, except that I know of no large organisation anywhere in the world that hasn't at some time or the other made a mess of something - stuff's in the end done right or wrong by individuals.
But you couldn't, for example, boycot your government because you were unjustly fined for speeding. It wouldn't work. That's why most of us are still on faecesbook even though we all know the stuff they've done, or are doing even.
By the way I personally know of one case where the last known copy, which its owner declined to share, was damaged in a flood around the time of his death and thrown away.


Although... If someone's deal-breaking concern (for reasons of their own) is that their film should never again reach the BBC, there still is a way.
Going back to the original post, I guess you could have a film scanned, and post it on youtube (and other places) anonymously.
Have the description encourage people to save a copy before it's taken down.
The cat will be out of the bag then.
In fact I suppose that that's what has now - inadvertedly - happened to that Benny Hill episode, similar to other bootlegs. It doesn't have to be insanely expensive to scan film, if it doesn't work well to home record the projection, I've had some done in the past.

If it isn't Doctor Who, I doubt it would even be taken offline anytime soon.
Technically doing this would be a violation, but at least the program would be out there for all to see. Possibly illegal, but not immoral.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:43 pm
by Brock
Spiny Norman wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:44 pm
That's why most of us are still on faecesbook even though we all know the stuff they've done, or are doing even.
Speak for yourself. I won't join Facebook on principle.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:16 pm
by Spiny Norman
Brock wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:43 pm
Spiny Norman wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 1:44 pm
That's why most of us are still on faecesbook even though we all know the stuff they've done, or are doing even.
Speak for yourself. I won't join Facebook on principle.
Okay, but it was a general comparison; I didn't mean that that was fully identical to returning missing programs to the BBC.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:55 am
by Mark
I suppose there are various reasons for not returning material, not wanting to deal with the BBC, having something no one else has, or just not knowing it's missing material.

There was a story a few years ago on Wiped News I think, about a chap at a film fair, at a stall with just a few films left, asked about a particular can, the dealer said it's "The Troubleshooters", an American TV series, ( there was one called that, late 50's) the chap bought it, and it turned out to be a missing episode of the BBC series!

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:30 am
by paul.austin
There are missing Doctor Who episodes in private hands but, as illustrated by the cine-clips person choosing to be nameless, they wisely don't want the attention of the psychotic part of DW fandom

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2020 8:14 pm
by Spiny Norman
paul.austin wrote:
Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:30 am
There are missing Doctor Who episodes in private hands but, as illustrated by the cine-clips person choosing to be nameless, they wisely don't want the attention of the psychotic part of DW fandom
Yes; but that is strictly speaking a different subject.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:35 am
by Brian F
I wonder if anyone with non-Dr Who missing material is worried about a flurry of "You Don't have any Dr Who?", "If you have that you MUST have some" pestering from the psychotic part of fandom.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:45 am
by paul.austin
Brian F wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:35 am
I wonder if anyone with non-Dr Who missing material is worried about a flurry of "You Don't have any Dr Who?", "If you have that you MUST have some" pestering from the psychotic part of fandom.
As i said, there is an excellent reason why the Australian man or woman who filmed those 8mm DW cine-clips off their TV in the 1960s that they gave to us all to enjoy wisely insisted that their name never be released.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:29 am
by Spiny Norman
paul.austin wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:45 am
Brian F wrote:
Fri Jun 19, 2020 7:35 am
I wonder if anyone with non-Dr Who missing material is worried about a flurry of "You Don't have any Dr Who?", "If you have that you MUST have some" pestering from the psychotic part of fandom.
As i said, there is an excellent reason why the Australian man or woman who filmed those 8mm DW cine-clips off their TV in the 1960s that they gave to us all to enjoy wisely insisted that their name never be released.
Isn't that quite usual? I'm not even sure we know who had the "new" Avengers episode. (Nor do we need to know.)

As for DW, since it really looks like someone had an arm long enough to pilfer all the way in Nigeria, I'm not ruling anything out. I don't know how many fans exactly would take action if it couldn't be done on the computer or for free.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:28 am
by paul.austin
The problem with recovering missing *radio* is that while *we* are interested in the classic DJs and their patter and gags, most people recording 40, 50, 55, years ago only wanted the music. Also a lot of tapes will have been recorded over or thrown out. Also when an elderly person has died, their children will most likely not have an obsolete reel to reel player so into the skip those old tapes will go.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:51 pm
by Spiny Norman
paul.austin wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:28 am
The problem with recovering missing *radio* is that while *we* are interested in the classic DJs and their patter and gags, most people recording 40, 50, 55, years ago only wanted the music. Also a lot of tapes will have been recorded over or thrown out. Also when an elderly person has died, their children will most likely not have an obsolete reel to reel player so into the skip those old tapes will go.
Absolutely. And the same applies to tons of TV shows that people used to audio-record at home too. The fact that we have the sound of every missing doctor who episode proves that.
And if they report it, they get turned down.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:18 am
by Mark
Managed to catch the Saturday screening of "No Hiding Place" on TPTV, most enjoyable and a great cast in it as well.

Recovered by TPTV from... a private collector!...lets hope they come up with more goodies.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:57 am
by fatcat
Mark wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:18 am
Managed to catch the Saturday screening of "No Hiding Place" on TPTV, most enjoyable and a great cast in it as well.

Recovered by TPTV from... a private collector!...lets hope they come up with more goodies.
Yes they say they are looking for more, but haven't found any yet, its a pity the right arm of the BFI does not know what the left arm is doing as pretty sure they have a few as they supplied TP with a rare once a long lost movie called 'Where has poor Mickey gone'
(Warren Mitchell 1963)

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:03 am
by Mark
fatcat wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:57 am
Mark wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:18 am
Managed to catch the Saturday screening of "No Hiding Place" on TPTV, most enjoyable and a great cast in it as well.

Recovered by TPTV from... a private collector!...lets hope they come up with more goodies.
Yes they say they are looking for more, but haven't found any yet, its a pity the right arm of the BFI does not know what the left arm is doing as pretty sure they have a few as they supplied TP with a rare once a long lost movie called 'Where has poor Mickey gone'
(Warren Mitchell 1963)
Oh yes, I saw that, a very young John Challis is in it as well, an unusual little film.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:07 pm
by Spiny Norman
Mark wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:18 am
Managed to catch the Saturday screening of "No Hiding Place" on TPTV, most enjoyable and a great cast in it as well.

Recovered by TPTV from... a private collector!...lets hope they come up with more goodies.
They did.

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:26 pm
by Mark
Yes, great news isn't it, two more "No Hiding Place" and two "Palladium" shows...'Didn't they do well!'

Re: Benny Hill recovery

Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:10 am
by Mark
There's an audio clip on YT from the entirely missing , "The Gnomes Of Dulwich", only about 90 seconds, but it's something.

From a continuity preview of the series.