BBC Sports Personality of the Year 2014

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The shortlist is in. Can't help but think that it could easily be much shorter.

Rory McIlroy
Lewis Hamilton
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Gareth Bale
Max Whitlock
Adam Peaty
Lizzy Yarnold
Charlotte Dujardin
Kelly Gallagher & Charlotte Evans
Jo Pavey
Carl Froch

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So how many of those are 'personalities'? Surely they should change the title to 'most accomplished' or something similar. It's quite a while now since there were many actual sporting characters.

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For donkeys years it was "Sports REVIEW of the Year" until some idiot decided it needed re-branding. All the more embarrassing because the winners inevitably have as much personality as a suet pudding.
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Bob Richardson wrote:For donkeys years it was "Sports REVIEW of the Year" until some idiot decided it needed re-branding. All the more embarrassing because the winners inevitably have as much personality as a suet pudding.
Although the programme was called Sports Review of the Year, the prize has always been called Sports Personality.

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Yes, wasn't the rename more to do with the fact that the BBC didn't have the rights to much sport to review anymore?

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Scary wrote:Yes, wasn't the rename more to do with the fact that the BBC didn't have the rights to much sport to review anymore?
Well, no. The change was because there isn't really that much of a market for a review anymore, it used to be a big deal because you would have hardly had any opportunities to see much of the stuff again. Not so much these days when everything's repeated to within an inch of its life. The main attraction has always been the Sports Personality award and indeed it's always been referred to within the Beeb, as Des Lynam's autobiography points out, as "SPOTY".

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It was billed in general (*) Sports Review ('of the year' or earlier 'of 19XX') until 1999 when it became the one-off 'Sports Personality of the Century', presumably because they weren't going to review the whole period.

(*) Genome indicates it was billed clumsily as 'Peter Dimmock introduces the BBC Sportsview Personality of the Year' in January 1957. They don't write programme titles like that any more ...

Considering recent controversies it is notable that the 1954 edition refers explicitly to 'sportsmen and sportswomen'.

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Steve Williams wrote:
Bob Richardson wrote:For donkeys years it was "Sports REVIEW of the Year" until some idiot decided it needed re-branding. All the more embarrassing because the winners inevitably have as much personality as a suet pudding.
Although the programme was called Sports Review of the Year, the prize has always been called Sports Personality.
You're right about the programme, but the award was originally was named after the programme Sportsview and was the "Sportsview Personality of the Year" until 1968, it's only from 1969 that it acquired its more familiar name.
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Steve Williams wrote:
Scary wrote:Yes, wasn't the rename more to do with the fact that the BBC didn't have the rights to much sport to review anymore?
Well, no. The change was because there isn't really that much of a market for a review anymore, it used to be a big deal because you would have hardly had any opportunities to see much of the stuff again. Not so much these days when everything's repeated to within an inch of its life. The main attraction has always been the Sports Personality award and indeed it's always been referred to within the Beeb, as Des Lynam's autobiography points out, as "SPOTY".
I did the live graphics on over a dozen of the shows (and was a guest at 20 or more editions) and we called it SROTY, not SPOTY, whatever Des may say in his book. Despite the lack of sport, the show still looks back over the sporting year, sport-by-sport, although a one-off attempt to produced a month-by-month edition as a sort of sporting calendar was regarded a failure and caused a bit of in-fighting within the department at the time. I can't say much more than that as I suspect that some of those involved may be reading this...
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marsey wrote:So how many of those are 'personalities'? Surely they should change the title to 'most accomplished' or something similar. It's quite a while now since there were many actual sporting characters.
Always been that way. There's always been the likes of Davis, Faldo, Calzaghe and Hill who were winners in their sport but lacked personality, and on the other hand Gazza who had loads of personality but won nothing - just occasionally you get a David Steele who had neither.

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Bob Richardson wrote:and we called it SROTY, not SPOTY, whatever Des may say in his book.
There was a point each year when in the Television Centre basement there were trollies full of 2" tapes with SROTY written on the label. Certainly not SPOTY.

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Bernie wrote:There was a point each year when in the Television Centre basement there were
trollies full of 2" tapes with SROTY written on the label. Certainly not SPOTY.
Equally there were cans of film labelled SROTY, but they were loaded onto different trolleys!

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Bob Richardson wrote:I did the live graphics on over a dozen of the shows (and was a guest at 20 or more editions) and we called it SROTY, not SPOTY, whatever Des may say in his book. Despite the lack of sport, the show still looks back over the sporting year, sport-by-sport, although a one-off attempt to produced a month-by-month edition as a sort of sporting calendar was regarded a failure and caused a bit of in-fighting within the department at the time. I can't say much more than that as I suspect that some of those involved may be reading this...
Fair enough, SROTY it is. It was 1990 where they did the month-by-month review and Des mentions that in his book, he said it was a daft idea and it was a shame because the producer who came up with it was one of his favourite people to work with. He says the format meant that they didn't interview Bobby Robson or Gary Lineker despite the World Cup, and there were really clunking gear changes because the obituaries and so on were scattered throughout.

Des also talks about when Lloyd Honeyghan was invited and scheduled to be interviewed but just before the show they were told he wasn't going to turn up unless he'd won. So Des phoned him and said they weren't going to tell him that and he should turn up because it was bad manners and the interview would be good exposure for him anyway. Eventually he turned up five minutes from the end of the show, and then moaned he wasn't interviewed.

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Surely, whether it's SROTY or SPOTY depends on whether you're referring to the programme (SROTY) or the award (SPOTY)? I don't have Des' book to judge to context in which he was using the abbrev.
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Simon Coward wrote:Surely, whether it's SROTY or SPOTY depends on whether you're referring to the programme (SROTY) or the award (SPOTY)? I don't have Des' book to judge to context in which he was using the abbrev.
The programme was generally referred to by staff who worked on it as SROTY, until the official title change to Sports Personality if the Year when it became SPOTY. I rarely heard anyone refer to the those in the running for the title as potential Sports Personalities. They were usually "winner" or "runner-up". Lloyd Honeyghan wasn't the only one to refuse to turn up unless he was told in advance that he'd won it. There were others, including some big names, but the production never gave in to blackmail.

The after-show party would have been a tabloid reporter's dream, with all kinds of shenanigans going on. One very famous face I recall had to be smuggled out via the goods lift at the QE Conference Centre after he got paralytic drunk. The production team were VERY protective of guests and kept the press at bay.
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Does the Radio Times still carry the coupon for me to submit my choices on? ;)

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Totally forgot about this (in fact that's not quite true - I never knew it was on today).

Anyway as expected, Hamilton first, Mcilroy second. I would have had it the other way around.

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SgtPepper wrote:Totally forgot about this (in fact that's not quite true - I never knew it was on today).

Anyway as expected, Hamilton first, Mcilroy second. I would have had it the other way around.
That's probably the way the sporting achievements were but you can't help but think that the way he treated his fiancé lost him a section of the vote - saying that it was 34% to 20% so a much bigger gap than you'd think.

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One wonders why a greedy non-resident tax exile should even be eligible for it....
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Nick Cooper 625 wrote:One wonders why a greedy non-resident tax exile should even be eligible for it....
As Kevin Eason of The Times points out, McIlroy lives in Florida; Mo Farah lives in Oregon, and when he won it in the 1970s, Sir Jackie Stewart lived in Switzerland.

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If that was a factor there'd have probably have been no Formula 1 drivers eligible in recent times except maybe Damon Hill.
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Sports stars generally pay tax these days in each jurisdiction they play in. The UK is especially tough in this respect because the tax is not based just on the actual earnings of the period spent in the UK, but on a pro rata amount of annual income from endorsements etc, which can often be well over 100% of the specific event earnings. This is why many never come to the UK outside of either the absolute top competition (eg Raphael Nadal) or one that has special exemption such as the Olympics (eg Usain Bolt). Hamilton must be in the UK a fair portion of the year for testing etc and therefore will be paying pro rata tax in the UK and tax in many of the countries there is a GP.

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