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It was ok - better than the last few years. The alien invasion was a bit of an after-thought but Capaldi now has the character nailed and I'm really looking forward to the new series. The family who were around enjoyed it (and have been apathetic for the last couple of series) and the reviews in the press have been good.

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I didn't mind it, I have to say. I quite like comics, so that was fun. In fact more fun than the Doctor who seems to have settled down into a generic Doctor mould. I think all the angst has really run its course and doesn't interest me a great deal. Looks like we're back to hoodie Doctor next year as well. My least favourite look. Let's hope the mid life crisis Doctor is reined in a bit.

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I dvr'd it but have yet to motivate myself to watch it.

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Give it a go. It's worth watching and is quite well done for what it is.

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The Last Dragonslayer on Sky 1 was so much better pity it will only be seen by a small audience. It's the sort of thing the BBC should be investing in instead of milking a very tired Doctor.

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voyager wrote:The Last Dragonslayer on Sky 1 was so much better pity it will only be seen by a small audience. It's the sort of thing the BBC should be investing in instead of milking a very tired Doctor.
It was ok, but not in the same league as the Pratchett's they did a few years ago. One of my family wanted to know when the next part was on - obviously didn't like the way it ended!

Of all the things you could say about DW - 'tired' didn't apply this time. It was something quite different with the superhero / comic book approach. It may not have appealed to you, but it was certainly something different. Is it time to split the thread into the current one, and 'I don't like the new series and never will regardless of what they try'?.

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Yes but dont forget that for many obsessive Doctor Who fans, their favourite pastime is stabbing their supposed favourite show through the heart when it doesnt measure up to their exclusive view of what the show should be. It's akin to religious fanatics or socialists killing the impure...

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Duncan wrote:Yes but dont forget that for many obsessive Doctor Who fans, their favourite pastime is stabbing their supposed favourite show through the heart when it doesnt measure up to their exclusive view of what the show should be. It's akin to religious fanatics or socialists killing the impure...
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drmih wrote:Is it time to split the thread into the current one, and 'I don't like the new series and never will regardless of what they try'?.
Ah, a Twin Dilemma.
Duncan wrote:Yes but dont forget that for many obsessive Doctor Who fans, their favourite pastime is stabbing their supposed favourite show through the heart when it doesnt measure up to their exclusive view of what the show should be. It's akin to religious fanatics or socialists killing the impure...
I'm not sure that's fair. Fans do it because they have a passion. I'm not sure I'd want to drift along without questioning anything.

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A passion that basically leads to slagging everything off that doesnt accord with their own image of what the show ought to be - one which usually shows the critic to be perpetually living in circa 1975.

May not be "fair" but it seems to be fair comment.

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In a single bound and just in the knickers of time ...in flies...me...Dr Obsessivo...the worlds leading who obsessive and inventor of Television, to give my shocking and surprising opinion of the Xmas special.!

Yes that's right, I didn't like it, not one bit, partly due to the fact that I simply don't live on the same planet as Moff, it was even worse than the Titanic one...and that's saying something! ( I know he didn't write it, but it was a Xmas one).

No...I haven't been on the Shandy...but it would no doubt have helped to have been widdled to enjoy it though.

...And can I just say this...if I had a pound for every time the parents of kids (annoyingly waving their sonic screwdrivers) looked at me with daggers, as if to say...'You're a fan of this are you.?', I would have more money than Bill Gates...put together!

So I would just like to declare that I am not nor have I ever been a practising Who fan...I just happened to have watched it every week for 26 years...that's all..

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I have to agree with Dr Obsessivo (whoever he is) although it is a Xmas special we are talking about, and it was obviously written with the Xmas day audience in mind, one half would be asleep and the other still playing with their toys.

So hardly anyone would have noticed it, and I can't imagine those who did, wanting to revisit it again.

With regards to the general series, as I have said before, I don't expect it to be like it was years ago, mainly because the writers are not around any more, but I do expect it to be sensible Drama, other contemporary dramas manage it, so why not "Who", I can't help but suppose it's because it seems to be aimed at the under-fives.
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Mark wrote:I have to agree with Dr Obsessivo (whoever he is) although it is a Xmas special we are talking about, and it was obviously written with the Xmas day audience in mind, one half would be asleep and the other still playing with their toys.

So hardly anyone would have noticed it, and I can't imagine those who did, wanting to revisit it again.

With regards to the general series, as I have said before, I don't expect it to be like it was years ago, mainly because the writers are not around any more, but I do expect it to be sensible Drama, other contemporary dramas manage it, so why not "Who", I can't help but suppose it's because it seems to be aimed at the under-fives.
No, it's just you. Good reviews in the media and I for one enjoyed it, and I'm old enough to have been with it from the very beginning.

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No, I don't think it is just me.

I suppose it's excusable, as it was a Xmas special, and it's not realistic to expect anything that requires concentration, so it was just one gag after another, with a forgettable 'brain snatch' idea, thrills and spills on a skyscraper, which was no doubt exciting for the toddlers, and a solution to the crashing spaceship that would be the 'Jump the Shark' moment, if it hadn't already happened with the TV Movie.

There is no point to the Xmas specials, other than ratings, so why not scrap it and add the episode to the main series.
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Mark wrote:No, I don't think it is just me.

I suppose it's excusable, as it was a Xmas special, and it's not realistic to expect anything that requires concentration, so it was just one gag after another, with a forgettable 'brain snatch' idea, thrills and spills on a skyscraper, which was no doubt exciting for the toddlers, and a solution to the crashing spaceship that would be the 'Jump the Shark' moment, if it hadn't already happened with the TV Movie.

There is no point to the Xmas specials, other than ratings, so why not scrap it and add the episode to the main series.
Perhaps because a lot of people enjoy it as part of their Christmas Day viewing! What is it with all you 'experts' who're not only happy to give their own opinion on whether they like it or not, but decide to try and be clever by saying that it's aimed at under 5s / toddlers / people unable to concentrate / old or drunk people falling asleep during it (I wasn't sure but that might be me)! I'll stop watching it straight away now that you've clarified that it's not worth it.

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drmih wrote: I for one enjoyed it, I'm old enough to have been with it from the very beginning.
Me too. It's just a tv show there to entertain and it entertained me.

I've just been leaned on to watch two episodes of Stranger Things and it was a whole lot better than that.

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Mark wrote:No, I don't think it is just me.

I suppose it's excusable, as it was a Xmas special, and it's not realistic to expect anything that requires concentration, so it was just one gag after another, with a forgettable 'brain snatch' idea, thrills and spills on a skyscraper, which was no doubt exciting for the toddlers, and a solution to the crashing spaceship that would be the 'Jump the Shark' moment, if it hadn't already happened with the TV Movie.

There is no point to the Xmas specials, other than ratings, so why not scrap it and add the episode to the main series.
Perhaps because a lot of people enjoy it as part of their Christmas Day viewing! What is it with all you 'experts' who're not only happy to give their own opinion on whether they like it or not, but decide to try and be clever by saying that it's aimed at under 5s / toddlers / people unable to concentrate / old or drunk people falling asleep during it (I wasn't sure but that might be me)! I'll stop watching it straight away now that you've clarified that it's not worth it.
I think it was Moff himself who said he aims it at the under tens

I would put myself in the concentration category... who can do that on Xmas day! , and it's quite clear from the script and subject matter, that the reasons of Concentration/Toddlers/asleep, are the criteria on which it is based, and that's not me trying to be clever, that's every household isn't it?...by the time of the special, after the big dinner, the adults are asleep, the kids are playing with the boxes the toys came in, and the TV is on but hardly anyone is watching it.

As I said, it's a Xmas special, so it would be silly to expect anything of any substance from it, so, as a lot of people think the regular series should be longer, add the Xmas special as a normal one to the series, and show "Shrek 23" for the same ratings on Xmas Day, and everyones happy...surely.!

See...I'm just thinking of the Nu-Who fans...honest!
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It's an interesting idea of trying to aim programmes at certain demographics - one which usually seems to backfire. I'm not sure about the current DW aimed at under 10s, although I'm sure that it was said. There was 'Class' this year aimed at the teenage DW fans but which didn't seem to gain much traction from what I heard - it seems that 'teenagers' are much more likely to be watching Game of Thrones / Walking Dead / Westworld / Humans / iZombie / darker Marvel and DC tv offerings (Jessica Jones etc) - the fact that not only are they 15/18 rated but also very good does help.

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I think it must have been in a DWM interview, if I come across it, I will give it a mention.

I'm sure he also said something about children being the main audience he aims it at. it might explain the lack of violence, you rarely see anyone meeting a graphic demise in the Nu one.
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Just announced that Capaldi is leaving, according to Twitter.

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Juswuh wrote:Just announced that Capaldi is leaving, according to Twitter.
He talks about it in a radio interview, so not just rumours.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38805151

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That's a surprise, and something of a disappointment, thought he might have lasted a bit longer.

Wasn't going to bother with the new series, but might see him out instead.

What's the betting on going back to 12 year-olds, next...oh well.
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Sad that Capaldi's entire run was under Moffat's watch. Peter Capaldi playing the real Doctor(rather than Steven Moffat's idea of what the character should be) would have been truly wonderful.

Now, let's sit back and listen to/read all the "The thirteenth Doctor MUST be a woman. It would be SO BRAVE" chatter.....
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Richard Charles Skryngestone wrote:Sad that Capaldi's entire run was under Moffat's watch. Peter Capaldi playing the real Doctor(rather than Steven Moffat's idea of what the character should be) would have been truly wonderful.

Now, let's sit back and listen to/read all the "The thirteenth Doctor MUST be a woman. It would be SO BRAVE" chatter.....
Well it's worth a try and it might put some life back into the programme - my gut feeling is that we'll get a pretty young boy, but who knows(:)). There are only so many stories to tell without recycling ideas or changing the original narrative. Although there was more screen time in the classic series, the idea that each 50 minute episode is a 'story' compared to being made up of 4,6, or even 10 episodes, means that we must be getting to a position that there have nearly been as many classic as new stories. I think we may be seeing the end game of this phase, similar to Baker/McCoy era, where the interest and viewers slowly wane.

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drmih wrote:
Richard Charles Skryngestone wrote:Sad that Capaldi's entire run was under Moffat's watch. Peter Capaldi playing the real Doctor(rather than Steven Moffat's idea of what the character should be) would have been truly wonderful.

Now, let's sit back and listen to/read all the "The thirteenth Doctor MUST be a woman. It would be SO BRAVE" chatter.....
Well it's worth a try and it might put some life back into the programme - my gut feeling is that we'll get a pretty young boy, but who knows(:)). There are only so many stories to tell without recycling ideas or changing the original narrative. Although there was more screen time in the classic series, the idea that each 50 minute episode is a 'story' compared to being made up of 4,6, or even 10 episodes, means that we must be getting to a position that there have nearly been as many classic as new stories. I think we may be seeing the end game of this phase, similar to Baker/McCoy era, where the interest and viewers slowly wane.
The chatter that I read, when Smith announced his departure, was so much more than that; the racism, the sexism (from all sides) and, once Capaldi was announced, the ageism were all pretty disgusting. The trouble is, in the times we live in, everything becomes a political football.

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Cole wrote:
drmih wrote:
Richard Charles Skryngestone wrote:Sad that Capaldi's entire run was under Moffat's watch. Peter Capaldi playing the real Doctor(rather than Steven Moffat's idea of what the character should be) would have been truly wonderful.

Now, let's sit back and listen to/read all the "The thirteenth Doctor MUST be a woman. It would be SO BRAVE" chatter.....
Well it's worth a try and it might put some life back into the programme - my gut feeling is that we'll get a pretty young boy, but who knows(:)). There are only so many stories to tell without recycling ideas or changing the original narrative. Although there was more screen time in the classic series, the idea that each 50 minute episode is a 'story' compared to being made up of 4,6, or even 10 episodes, means that we must be getting to a position that there have nearly been as many classic as new stories. I think we may be seeing the end game of this phase, similar to Baker/McCoy era, where the interest and viewers slowly wane.
The chatter that I read, when Smith announced his departure, was so much more than that; the racism, the sexism (from all sides) and, once Capaldi was announced, the ageism were all pretty disgusting. The trouble is, in the times we live in, everything becomes a political football.
I think, reading between the lines, that he's more concerned about there being a push for a female Doctor than anything more unpleasant.

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With a female Head of State, and a female Prime Minister, there might be no better time.

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The show has been spread out with so much of a gap between series that I find myself not caring by the time either a Christmas Special or a new series airs.

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drmih wrote: I think, reading between the lines, that he's more concerned about there being a push for a female Doctor than anything more unpleasant.
Indeed, but I was commenting that the chatter will inevitably be taken into political territory. Just yesterday Billie Piper said, "I think it would be great [to have a female Doctor] given the spirit of the world at the moment. I think it would be timely". The politics have started; see also brigham's post above.

Mind you, to drag a positive out of it; this silly little children's programme appears to be culturally important enough for people to go there.

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One thing that Moff said that made me laugh at the time of Capaldi's announcement, was in reply to Helen Mirren's suggestion of a female Doctor, he said, 'That's fine, so long as a man plays the Queen next time', which is fair enough.

It could be a massive risk, if it failed, it would see off the series, the majority of it's audience are still male, as far as I know, so it would go against the 'all important' demographics, for a start, would any producer want to take that chance.?
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