The All-Purpose Current Doctor Who (2005-) Thread

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Richard Charles Skryngestone wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:07 pm
But it's not supposed to be a complete personality change.
It hasn't been a complete personality change. It's never been a complete personality change.

You mention The Three Doctors. Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee were all radically different in their interpretations of the character. All vastly different but all three having certain core traits that persisted. Whittaker's incarnation is both just as different and equally the same as all her predecessors.

I really do see no difference. All in keeping with that great idea way back in 1966 that enabled us to get from The Tenth Planet to The Power of the Daleks. An idea that's kept the series fresh and facilitated its impressive longevity.

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spflog1 wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:23 pm
Richard Charles Skryngestone wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:07 pm
But it's not supposed to be a complete personality change.
... All in keeping with that great idea way back in 1966 that enabled us to get from The Tenth Planet to The Power of the Daleks. An idea that's kept the series fresh and facilitated its impressive longevity...
The 'regeneration' idea, you mean?

It was new and innovative at the time. Special, in fact.

Does anyone else think that it has since been rather overused? It's routine now, and expected.

Time for a change?

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drmih wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 5:28 pm
Jodie Whitaker is far more of a 'Doctor' than, for instance, the awful version played by Colin Baker
There we disagree again. Colin Baker had a lot of both Hartnell and Troughton about him. I don't believe that he was "awful" at all. The Doctor is not supposed to be a pin-up for preteens. There was always something somewhat unlikable and abrasive about him.
- I'm not keen on the current Doctor but there are plenty of ticks in boxes for the principles shown across the years.
If those years are 2005-2013.
I can't help but feel that, as ever over the last couple of years, it's all about a refusal to accept a female lead.
Perhaps. But not in the way I think you mean.
If you go on YouTube or the like there are just lots of angry folk who can't accept change,
It's not the act of change itself. it's the way it changes, and, of course, the real-world reasons for why the change has been made.
whether that be the new Star Wars (esp Last Jedi); Star Trek spin-offs (esp Picard); any number of superhero titles which have tweaked the gender or sexuality of the leads; or going back further the disgraceful behaviour regarding Ghostbusters.
The only "disgraceful behaviour" regarding the all-female Ghostbusters was coming FROM the people who made the movie. They even stooped to deleting any negative comments made about the movie by females, as a way of trying to 'show' that it was only sexist males who objected to the movie.
In the current political / health / economic climate it does seem rather trivial.
Is that more or less trivial than the way certain sections of society were demanding that the Doctor absolutely positively HAD to be a woman, and then making some revolting comments when Matt Smith, and then Peter Capaldi, were cast? At the exact same time genocides, famines, illegal invasions etc. were going on in the world.

I find it rather perverse that the same people who were flooding message boards and forums, and stating that it was the most important thing ever that the "patriarchy" be destroyed by casting a woman as the Doctor..are now the same people who are saying "Why are you so upset by a female Doctor? it's just a tv show!"
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spflog1 wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:23 pm
Richard Charles Skryngestone wrote:
Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:07 pm
But it's not supposed to be a complete personality change.
It hasn't been a complete personality change. It's never been a complete personality change.

You mention The Three Doctors. Hartnell, Troughton and Pertwee were all radically different in their interpretations of the character. All vastly different but all three having certain core traits that persisted. Whittaker's incarnation is both just as different and equally the same as all her predecessors.

I really do see no difference. All in keeping with that great idea way back in 1966 that enabled us to get from The Tenth Planet to The Power of the Daleks. An idea that's kept the series fresh and facilitated its impressive longevity.
But there were common traits to the first three Doctors. They all just emphasised certain traits more than others.

To be fair, the first "That's not the Doctor!" moments for me came with McCoy. And Eccleston and Tennant were in there as well, at times. And now Jodie Whitaker. is clearly a character who has links to Tennant, but nothing that makes you think it could be the same character as Doctors One Through Six.

Missy meanwhile couldn't be any less like the Master if that was the deliberate intention. Maybe it's an age thing, but it fascinates me that so many people can easily except that Michelle Gomez's Missy is the same character as Roger Delgado's Master, but can't possibly fathom why anyone would think that Edward Brayshaw's "War Chief" could be.
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Richard Charles Skryngestone wrote: ... the first "That's not the Doctor!" moments for me came with McCoy...
McCoy is one of my favourites! That first regeneration in 1966 would have been quite a "That's not the Doctor!" moment. Accepting that novelty as part of the programme I don't really feel like saying that about any of the new incarnations.
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The first 'That's not Doctor Who' moment came for me when that little Irish bloke with the long hat and tin whistle turned up.
I'm sure I'd seen him at Chipperfield's the week before!

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I had no trouble at all with Patrick Troughton, accepted him straight away (much as I liked William Hartnell, and still do) in that first episode of "POTD", especially loved the hat, getting rid of that was a big mistake.!

I can't honestly say I have ever thought of the Nu-Who Doctors as being the same person as the originals, Ecclestone was possibly the worst, The Doctor is enigmatic and mysterious, but CE came across as ' a bloke from the local pub'.

In his radio doc about Target Books, Mark Gattiss said that one of the characteristics of The Doctor, is that we never really know his thought processes, but with JW, she talks so much and explains everything away, basically thinking out loud, but less is more, a sensible witty laid back Doctor?...that's not going to happen again is it!
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Tom Baker's Doctor had an air of 'guy from the pub' too and I think he even had a few drinks (it is only wine in City of Death that comes to mind!). The 15 year gap didn't help but I did feel when Doctor Who came back in 2005 that CE was still portraying the same enigmatic, if outwardly a bit down-to-earth, Doctor character.
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Two points.

The "Gender Identity" idea would apply to a human, I know, but would it apply to a non-human race? We can't say.

If living 900+ years it would be a very good idea to not carry on exactly the same after a regeneration as it would give a new enthusiasm for life to change and be coded into the Time Lord genes for that reason.

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Brian F wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:53 am
Two points.

The "Gender Identity" idea would apply to a human, I know, but would it apply to a non-human race? We can't say.

If living 900+ years it would be a very good idea to not carry on exactly the same after a regeneration as it would give a new enthusiasm for life to change and be coded into the Time Lord genes for that reason.
Gender identity does seem to count on Gallifrey, as the episode a few years back proved, when a male Time Lord regenerated to female and she said, 'How do you cope with such big egos?', or something like that, a joke before JW's casting was known about.
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Private Frazer wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:31 am
Tom Baker's Doctor had an air of 'guy from the pub' too and I think he even had a few drinks (it is only wine in City of Death that comes to mind!). The 15 year gap didn't help but I did feel when Doctor Who came back in 2005 that CE was still portraying the same enigmatic, if outwardly a bit down-to-earth, Doctor character.
I can't see that really, Tom's Doctor was totally alien ( Tom maybe!) I had no trouble believing the first seven were the same character, McGann was lumbered with that 'Half-Human' nonsense, and so we were introduced to Time Lord smooching!

CE is obviously a good Actor, but with his northern swagger and accent, plus the leather jacket, he just seemed like an ordinary bloke, I'm not sure, but I got the impression he'd never watched it in his life.!
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