The All-Purpose Current Doctor Who (2005-) Thread

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I watched again, and thought how unnecessary the whole "timeless child" business is, a pointless complication of a simple setup. If the Doctor's dying, he can survive by changing into a new body: that's all you need, and it's an idea that has served the show well. (If they'd just replaced William Hartnell with someone who looked like him, it's quite likely that An Unearthly Child would be the only surviving episode today.)

It wasn't helped by the timeless child's total lack of interest as a character. Why do shows do these flashback scenes with big setups and sweeping camerawork, only to have the thing centre on a child actor who looks nothing like the adult they're supposed to grow into, with the glassy-eyed expression of someone waiting to be told what to do next?

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I don't mind it if they're trying to put a bit of mystery back into the Doctor's identity/origin. Maybe it was just felt that the whole Gallifrey/Time Lord thing had been rather overused (and abused) and consequently had lost some of that mystery. Good luck to them on that. Maybe The Timeless Children will be looked upon in the future much like The War Games has been since 1969, as a pivotal landmark moment in the show's history.

I just hope the Cyberman Time Lord hybrids don't make a reappearance. They looked utterly ridiculous, even worse than those New Paradigm Daleks from 2010 and that takes some doing! I'm also not keen on seeing Cybermen led by a member of another unconverted species, such as the Master. Cybermen should be in control of their own destiny, otherwise they just become uninteresting rent-a-monster puppets.

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The Cybermen in Nu-Who have never been used very well, not helped by the fact they are still stomping around like toy soldiers.

The new 'Old style' masks were quite good though.

Also not keen on the way the Master's victims flip about when he uses his TCE on them.
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[With apologies for stealing - erm, borrowing, this from Australian children’s’ author Paul Jennings]

[at an Australian shopping mall one Christmas in the alternate universe where the Eleventh Doctor travels with seven-year-old Amelia Pond]

Young Amelia [in pink t-shirt and white shorts]: “You promised you’d take me to see Australian Father Christmas!

Eleven: Amelia, we’re shopping for presents!

Young Amelia: If you don’t take me to see Australian Father Christmas, I’ll pee on the floor! [starts lifting leg end of her shorts]

Eleven [defeated]: OK, we’ll go and see Australian Father Christmas.

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Working my way through Series 12 now, having seen the first 2 episodes at the time. I apologise if I repeat what someone else has already said, but I haven't read comments for episodes I haven't seen yet.

Orphan 55: Started pretty well, then quickly devolved into the ultimate cliche. Still, Nu Who has lifted stories from the novels and audios. Wasn't there a World Distributors Annual story like this?

Nikola Tesla's Night of Terror: I actually enjoyed this one. It just never felt like Doctor Who. Rather more like a generic American sci-fi time-travelling show. I was half expecting Commander Data to appear any moment. And, how clever was it to make everyone expect the 'monster of the week' be the Zygons, only to make them the vastly inferior. Skithra as well.

Fugitive of the Judoon: It probably would have been nice to not know the twist in advance, but that was probably impossible in this day and age. I have been steering clear of Dr Who websites, and Dr Who topics on forums etc. deliberately, yet somebody still felt it necessary to mention it, on a sports website of all things. As for the episode itself..I have no feelings about it really. It just sort of happened. And I can't say I would have been shocked, giddy or angry if I had not known the 'reveal'. Still, I am curious to see where it leads to, although I have had people 'reveal' things from the last episode before I've seen that either. Hopefully there's still something to be got out of it.

What I do find interesting is the way Chibnall made a point out of having 'no returning monsters' and 'no story arcs' for his first year as Showrunner. That flopped rather disastrously. So, 5 episodes in, we've had the Return of the Master, the Return of the Judoon, a Big Mystery, and clear hints that we're getting the Return of the Cybermen as well(I see that the name of the penultimate episode says as much.) We've also had more Time Lords, including an other Doctor.

Which may be Chibnall's way of admitting without saying straight out that he can't just create good stories with strong characters and interesting plots. He needs the gimmick stories.

(Although the ratings for Series 12 seem to have gone down and down...)
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I'd prefer not to be preached to regarding the issues of the day (plastic; environment;sexism etc) but I've realised the issue is the Doctor and (too many) companions - the acting just seems to leave much to be desired and it's often very obvious because of the calibre of the supporting actors. When Jo Martin turned up I just thought 'that's a proper Doctor'.

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Now reached the end..

Praxeus : This was made much funnier by the continuity announcement at the end of the episode saying I could pre-order the boxset of the entire twelfth series. Otherwise dull and preachy.

Can You Hear Me?: Started off well, and I thought it was going to be good. Instead, it quickly fell apart. Utterly disposable, just not in the Indian Ocean. After all, that's what the previous episode was supposedly saying, right?

The Haunting of Villa Diodati: Another annoyance. I was really enjoying this for the first 20 minutes or so, and was intrigued as to what was going to happen next. And then, Nu Who Cliche set in. Why do this nonsense? These writers know how to write an opening scene that can pull you in, and make you want to see more. But they can't write a proper episode. Moffat's Era had the same problem. Some really strong opening scenes, followed by 40 or so minutes of complete rubbish. But, the "good" part lasted longer than normal.

Ascension of the Cybermen: Yet another "Last humans left". Ooh, look it's JNT-Era Cybermen! And the Master makes an appearance at the end. And Gallifrey! Speaking of the JNT Era, this is the EXACT thing that people like Chibnall accused 80's Who of, with that smug look on their faces. And now Chibnall does his Shopping List Episode. What, Chibbers, no Sontarans or Rani? I'm disappointed!

The Timeless Children: And then the very worst kind of fan fiction that makes Lungbarrow look like Shakespeare by comparison. Just. No. Contrary to the little preach there, this enhances nothing. It reduces it to dung. And of course, both the "timeless child" and the "discoverer" both HAVE to do male-to-female or female-to-male regenerations. If the Brain of Morbius faces are now real, that means that the Doctor had a straight run of males of those eight faces, then Hartnell through Capaldi(adding in Hurt and Tennant II), of what? Twenty-two consecutive male forms. Surely that would be the anomaly then? Or was there some Gallifreyan Dark Age when Time Lords kept regenerating into the same gender? This episode was just wrong on so many levels. Yes, he got his wish. And he probably really believes that he's a better Showrunner than JNT, and a better writer than Robert Holmes or Terrance Dicks, as well. Just atrocious. This is exactly why fanboys should never be allowed to run anything.

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The fact that I can't even remember much about these episodes, demonstrates their quality ( for me) as it was only a couple of months or so ago.
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Good article here from someone. (I don't agree 100% with all of this, but mostly do agree):

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To be fair, Chibnall's shopping-list episode was a set-up for the destruction of humanity and the Time Lords and a revelation about thousands if not millions of hitherto-unsuspected Doctors and you just didn't get that sort of thing in the '80s.

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I think the new team were just trying to find a way round the 12 regenerations problem if/when they had to recast. However in The Five Doctors the master said that the Time Lords had got his co-operation by promising him a "New regeneration cycle" so wither they were lying or the new idea didn't have to happen.

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Brian F wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 4:21 pm
I think the new team were just trying to find a way round the 12 regenerations problem if/when they had to recast. However in The Five Doctors the master said that the Time Lords had got his co-operation by promising him a "New regeneration cycle" so wither they were lying or the new idea didn't have to happen.
Didn't they give Matt Smith a whole new set of regenerations, so it's going to take quite a time to get through 11 more.

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Again sorts of negates the current version as they wouldn't have needed to if this version of regeneration origins was true. Strange. Back to Terrance Dicks ideas on continuity "What we remembered".

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Terrance Dicks also wouldn't have tolerated getting back Michael "i now look like a sumo wrestler" Kilgariff for Attack of the Cybermen just because he had been in Tomb of the Cybermen. Terrance was right that the audience should not be expected to remember a story that was over two years old.

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I doubt anyone could piece together the mess of the last few years in continuity, good luck to them in trying!

Has there been any mention of when they might be filming the next series? ( I know the Dalek special was already completed) but If they do get started later in the year, that may mean an Autumn 21 start.
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